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Hi Tammy,

Please let us know why you want this data?

Let me know when you've come clean,

Thanks!

Because some people don't want the figures to be in the public domain.

The IEDR publish monthly figures, but they don't refer to the companies by name and since their figures are based on sales not dns they won't collate exactly with jmcc's figures of where the domains are hosted.

In either case why are you so interested?

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Omg, why are you hosts sooo paranoid about everything, you live in your own little world. 365 if you say yous as good as you say you are, why should it worry you about these figures??

Let me know when you have come clean, jesus guys, your small fish in a small market get over yourselves.

Tammy,

My comments were in regard to your disrespect for the amount of effort and time John puts into his figures. Market data and intelligence are not 'free' things you can simply demand on a public forum.

Ireland is a tiny market, I doubt any of us have ever said otherwise

As for paranoia, why not simply tell us who you are and why you want the info, and I'll happily give you exact numbers

Leaving apart the rather childish response, you still have not identified your interest in the figures.

Actually they are not. They are killer whales in a large bay. While the Irish market is small compared to the UK or the US, it is still a very competitive market. The ISPs are being utterly demolished by second and third generation hosting service providers. Only Digiweb had the brains to buy its way out of the classic ISP death spiral and I am still not sure if that will work out. U.TV bought a design firm which boosted its count but it continues to exhibit the same kind of ISP losses. Eircom.net had something like 1% growth compared to the same month a year ago. It is barely beating the small web developers (the lower Tier 3 and Tier 4 "pseudo" hosters) in terms of growth per month. BTIreland stopped being a player years ago. Its management don't seem to have a clue about retail hosting and it, along with Eircom.net, lost a market dominant position compared to this time even five years ago. As for the opportunities that Eircom, BTIreland lost in the last year or so, it is amazing that they retain the marketshares that they have. In real terms, the ISPs in Ireland are largely trading off their historical clientbase. The database I've been working on here (hence my being relatively quiet in posting terms for days at a time) shows the history of domains and the statistics for each hoster back to 2000 and the historical domain breakdown for hosters is something that I am working on at the moment. There seems to be a point at which a hoster switches from being a forward looking market player to one being concerned with maintaining its historical clients. At that point, new registrations and transfer volume collapses. Some of these effects only become apparent in the long term. And these databases are probably more comprehensive than even domaintools.com as they go back farther and cover more domains and provide secondary dns tracking - something that is essential in ccTLD operations because of the linked DNSes (com/ccTLD variants of the same DNSes).

Providing summary stats is not the issue. It is the manner in which you never bothered to ask directly for them and refused to declare your interest. Now if you'd be so good as to declare your interest it may move things forward.

Regards...jmcc