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Old 25-03-2007, 05:01 PM
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Hi everyone,
As some of you may now I'm 17 and currently in 5th year of secondary school. The end of the school year is coming up around May 30th and from then I'll have ~3 months holidays.

At the moment I'm looking into different temporary employment areas for summer and so I thought I'd bring it up here.

As I'm sure some of you know from my posting in reply to technical queries and from my other work I have a good knowledge of HTML/CSS/PHP/MySQL etc.
I have the ECDL Certificate and I am currently pursuing the Zend PHP Certification.

I am always looking to further my knowledge including learning other technologies for projects such as other databases (MSSQL/Firebird), other languages (ASP/Python) and I am expanding my expertise into C++/Perl.

I am looking for flexible, well-paying PHP/HTML development work in Meath or inner Dublin.

In summary, I would greatly appreciate some good employment leads, advice or other suggestions anyone has.

Thanks,
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Old 25-03-2007, 05:05 PM
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did you read this post ? here maybe that would be a good lead.
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I am looking for flexible, well-paying PHP/HTML development work in Meath or inner Dublin.
I think you are asking too much.

You're only available for 3 months, so realistically you will only be useful for about 2 months or so.
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@Paul: Thanks, though I am not a Web Designer.

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I think you are asking too much.
You're only available for 3 months, so realistically you will only be useful for about 2 months or so.
Asking too much in what way? I realise that it is not the usual employment situation, but you never know what opportunities are out there.
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Asking too much in what way? I realise that it is not the usual employment situation, but you never know what opportunities are out there.
You're a secondary student with little or no commercial experience, yet you seem to think that you should have a well paying flexible job.

Maybe in your reality this is normal. In mine I would have been happy to get anything to build up professional experience at your age.
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David : What are you looking for in terms of work ? Are you expecting to get paid for your time or are you willing to take the hit and get some professional experience. The reason for the link is that maybe that guy is will to let you in on a project or two.
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You're a secondary student with little or no commercial experience, yet you seem to think that you should have a well paying flexible job.

Maybe in your reality this is normal. In mine I would have been happy to get anything to build up professional experience at your age.
Sorry Michele, maybe it is a side-effect of written word but your posts come across as accusatory and snide.
Surely you must understand that my request is quite innocent; I am not looking to make it rich, take anyone's job or get $100K plus holidays.

I suppose (I would hope) it is that the web is rather impersonal, but I would have thought that you would have enough respect for me not to talk down to me as you do.

For the record, but not to argue I have freelanced for a number of people, done work experience in one of the most notable web design companies in Ireland and worked internally in a networks company for an on-going, extended period with many projects.

I do realise that it is not the usual request you would expect from "A 17 year-old" but I also believe that self-promotion is the key to success.
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OK, take a step back for a second and look at your situation. In my mind, age does not matter. As backnight said, a well paid job comes to you only because you can sell yourself on your experience. The more experience you have the more you can demand (or ask for).

At an age of 17, I would estimate that the maximum experience that you could have is 1-2 years. That experience may not however be commercial experience.

Your definition of a well paying job might be different to mine so it might be a good idea to clearly define what your looking for.

My advice would be...

Instead of trying to find a job in a highly experience and up-skilled market you should look at trying to build your experience. When I say experience, this could be in the form of work experience OR by going out and applying your skills to a project. The best way to build experience is to contact a friend or relative and offer your services for free or at a low cost. The free or low costs takes both the pressure and risk out equation.

This way you will find a job a lot easier down the road .. You can then show how you applied your knowledge to a project and what you learned. You will learn a lot by doing this.
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Thanks for the response cr8or, I agree knowledge & experience are key.

Pay
I didn't put down a fixed amount because I chose not
set a minimum until I got the thoughts of the members here
and hopefully from employers that I know are present.

Experience
I know looking at my age it is very hard to believe I could
have a reasonable amount of experience. While I don't have 10 years, I have 5 years of HTML and 2 years of PHP.
  • I have had board meetings with the "boss", the finance department and the technical department.
  • I have taken briefs, built 5-table, 40-column database schemas and implemented secure GUIs.
  • I have learnt on my feet including ASP for a public project, 3rd-party systems and building alternate GUIs based on only a database file.
  • I created a full multi-account, multi-user, mass feedback system.
    Please take a look at (feedback freedom) Welcome! and login with username york and password iwf which I independently designed and developed.
    Bearing in mind I would never consider myself a web designer and have no art training the design is intuitive and usable.
    You will see that "FF" has secure multi-user authentication, automatic RSS Feeds, statistics, archiving, time zone correction etc. and behind the scenes it has detailed DB error reporting.
    I believe I designed this in such a way that it would stand up to peer-review and my error-reporting practices are sufficient for live, service-critical rollout.

Bottom Line
I have no problem with anyone regarding my request as over the top or even absurd, but I would still like your comments, and hopefully your respect.
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Instead of trying to find a job in a highly experience and up-skilled market you should look at trying to build your experience. When I say experience, this could be in the form of work experience OR by going out and applying your skills to a project. The best way to build experience is to contact a friend or relative and offer your services for free or at a low cost. The free or low costs takes both the pressure and risk out equation.
This is one of the routes I would consider. But be careful with doing work for free, it's sometimes hard to see the light at the end of tunnel. Because you are doing something for free you may not be fully commited to the cause and that can lead to its own problems....

Also you should contact some agencies around Dublin, you would be surprised at how many of them have positions available for work experience.

I think that we are taking on a secondary student for a few months in the summer for expierence. I recommend sending in your CV/Cover Letter to the companies based in the IFSC for starters. Info here - IFSC Online - International Financial Services Centre Dublin Ireland
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