How to Avoid the Google Sandbox - Page 2 - Irish SEO, Marketing & Webmaster Discussion

Cormac · #11 (**permalink**) 14-06-2007, 08:20 PM

3rigena, I would imagine that all things being equal between two websites, the website which has a secured page will sooner avoid the sandbox than the one without. There are many factors involved and I believe SSL to be one of them, how much weight is applied to it is of course another thing.

RedCardinal · #12 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 10:26 AM

Hi Cormac

Hope you dont mind me pointing out one or two things:

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As you can see, there are approximately 31 pages of this website indexed by Google. This indicates that the domain is not Sandboxed. If the domain were Sandboxed then there would be a grand total of zero results.

This is completely incorrect - if your pages aren't indexed they cannot be sandboxed. If you want to see if you are sandboxed the first thing to check is whether you are indexed. The site: operator is not affected by sandbox dampening. Then you need to try searching for unique strings contained in the page titles or text of those pages. Generally a site that is sandboxed wont rank for anything other than the most long tail queries, and perhaps the actual domain name.

Your points about domain registration duration and SSL have been validated in Google patents. 10yr registration will help.

The only true way to avoid the sandbox altogether is to get really great authority links pointed at the domain. As long as you have quality you dont need to worry about quantity (i.e. thousands of inbound links wont hurt at all if you have some well trusted authority links in the mix).

Nice article though

blacknight · #13 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RedCardinal

10yr registration will help.

Only with .com

Google doesn't know how to track ccTLDs very well and is quite clueless when it comes to IE domains

RedCardinal · #14 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 10:51 AM

Morning Michele

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Originally Posted by blacknight

Only with .com

Google doesn't know how to track ccTLDs very well and is quite clueless when it comes to IE domains

God I do hope so....

They can, and do, track things like nameserver and IP data which is used to look for changes and irregularities. If your interested there is a great patent about search results based on historical data (good Lord above - I cant believe I'm calling a patent 'great'...). I'll dig out the URL if you want some quality bedtime reading material

I'm running a little experiment at the minute to see how well they handle dropped .ie domains.

blacknight · #15 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RedCardinal

I'm running a little experiment at the minute to see how well they handle dropped .ie domains.

Well .. from my own experience they don't seem to track them properly at all

I've got about a half dozen or so "pre-owned" IE domains

Cormac · #16 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedCardinal

This is completely incorrect - if your pages aren't indexed they cannot be sandboxed.

Isn't that what I said though?

RedCardinal · #17 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 02:11 PM

Hmmm... I read that to say that if you perform a site: query and pages are returned then your site isn't sandboxed:

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As you can see, there are approximately 31 pages of this website indexed by Google. This indicates that the domain is not Sandboxed. If the domain were Sandboxed then there would be a grand total of zero results.

If there is a grand total of zero results then your site isn't indexed and therefore cannot be sandboxed. Am I missing something here?

Cormac · #18 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 04:43 PM

What I'm saying is:
0 pages indexed = sandboxed
many pages indexed = not sandboxed

RedCardinal · #19 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cormac

What I'm saying is:
0 pages indexed = sandboxed
many pages indexed = not sandboxed

That's what I thought Cormac.

0 pages indexed = cannot be sandboxed because by definition if you are not indexed you cant be under a dampening affect.
many pages indexed = might be sandboxed

The sandbox is not applied to the site operator - the fact that results are returned using a site: query is the same regardless of whether the site is under a 'sandbox' effect.

Sandbox does not remove pages from the index, it simply applies a dampening factor so that those pages will not rank above a certain threshold for competitive or semi-competitive search queries. You can only see sandbox effect using normal queries not the site: operator.

Cormac · #20 (**permalink**) 15-06-2007, 04:59 PM

Ah, now I get you. I thought that if you were sandboxed you wouldn't rank thus meaning that your indexed pages were put on hold.

Does your PR ranking get frozen (greyed out) when you're sandboxed though?

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