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Old 12-02-2006, 01:59 PM
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What I don't like about IEDR is the fact that they sell .ie domains to any business from outside Ireland if they can prove (copy of an invoice) that they do business in Ireland. That's not really fair to the irish owned business.
By your logic then an internationally trading company would have to setup offices in Ireland in order to get an IE domain.

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Did you ever try to get a .co.uk name? It won't be as easy as UK customers gets the .ie name.
You don't need to prove anything to get a .co.uk domain, so I don't really understand what your point is


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.ie might help you on telling the visitors you are an irish business, but what about website owned by UK customers that have a .ie domain? I heard many people complaining as the prices on some of those website displayed in Euro differ from the credit cards charges after the purchase.
In most cases pricing displayed in Euro on sites, such as Amazon UK, are clearly marked as indicative. It doesn't take much to check the actual exchange rates via xe.com
I suppose the real issue here is that the UK is still using Sterling and has refused to use Euro
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By your logic then an internationally trading company would have to setup offices in Ireland in order to get an IE domain.
Isn't that the way it should work?
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Isn't that the way it should work?
In a word - no
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I don't mean offices, but at least have the company name registered in Ireland.

You wouldn't like to register a company name here and find out that your domain name .ie is used and owned by somebody from outside Ireland.

What can you do then? Do you have a rights about it?
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No. Competition in itself is a good thing, but if you start pushing yet another alternative to .ie you will only cause confusion.
What other alternatives are there to a .ie which will indicate your Country of origin or place of business?

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I don't mean offices, but at least have the company name registered in Ireland.
Why? That's an incredible burden to place on a business.

A lot of the international companies we register IE domains for would hold trademarks as well.
It's called brand protection

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You wouldn't like to register a company name here and find out that your domain name .ie is used and owned by somebody from outside Ireland.
If you are dumb enough to register a business name that is similar to an existing well known brand then what do you expect?

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What can you do then? Do you have a rights about it?
Why would you have any rights in that instance?

If company X is registered in the UK in 1990 and is trading with Ireland it can register companyx.ie or a derivative thereof.

If in 2006 someone in Ireland decides to setup Company X with the Irish companies' office then they have zero right over the domain

It would be a wholly different matter if the domain were registered in bad faith or were to breach trademark
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What other alternatives are there to a .ie which will indicate your Country of origin or place of business?

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There are a couple of companies offering third level domains based off IE (pro.ie and ltd.ie) and another one that has been pushing a third level off a .com - If I can find a link to them I'll post it
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There are a couple of companies offering third level domains based off IE (pro.ie and ltd.ie) and another one that has been pushing a third level off a .com - If I can find a link to them I'll post it
How many people/business realistically want a third level domain name. As people try to get more form their site these days they use sub-domains to augment the SDL (second level domain). The most popular third level domains are links.domain.ie or support.domain.ie. Most hosting providers have an easy to use “add sub-domain” feature, so turning it to a forth level wouldn’t really be an option.


I can see the use for offering a third level domain, but it would only be useful if they gave it away free.

For commercial use they would have to incorporate some kind of control panel to have DNS editing facility for the third level domain, would either pro.ie or ltd.ie have this facility and then give subsequent rights to forth level domains created from the third level one.

Also if I had let’s say for example www.porn.pro.ie and forwarded the name to a hosting option in Holland, what would be the implication for the owner of www.pro.ie with the IEDR.

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What other alternatives are there to a .ie which will indicate your Country of origin or place of business?
But why do you need an alternative? getting a .IE domain is simple.

- Download the RBN1 Form (http://www.cro.ie/template_form_deta...el4=0&Level5=0)
- Fill it out and walk into the CRO office (Parnell Square, Dublin)
- Pay 40 euros and you're done

Alternatively, you can register online (you only need your PPS no.), fill out the form, print it, sign it and send it in with a payment of 20 euros.

And then register the company name as a domain.

Done... It couldn't be easier... Well, it could, but then we'd have the same kind of problems that .com's have
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For commercial use they would have to incorporate some kind of control panel to have DNS editing facility for the third level domain, would either pro.ie or ltd.ie have this facility and then give subsequent rights to forth level domains created from the third level one.
pro.ie uses a frame redirect at present. I'm not sure what way ltd.ie is setup

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Also if I had let’s say for example www.porn.pro.ie and forwarded the name to a hosting option in Holland, what would be the implication for the owner of www.pro.ie with the IEDR.
That would probably depend on whether there were complaints regarding the use of the sub-domain. In either case removing an A record is not that complicated
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