I'm sorry, but your point was the Internet proves that people with a "basic" knowledge can't do a standards compliant website - which is a completely untrue statement.

Our interpretation of what basic means doesn't come into it.


Well for me there are many reasons - mentioned above.


Well you see - that's where you are wrong again. Accessibility is about access for ALL! Not just for 99%........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility

Well if that's your approach - why should we use standards at all?
The point here is that you can have an accessibile site without sticking strictly to WAI WCAG 1.0

WAI WCAG are exactly what they are called - GUIDELINES.


eh... older standards???

And this is the problem with people spouting out about how great the latest coding standards are for accessibility. They completely miss the whole concept of what accessibility actually is.

Accessibility is about "direct access" - not "go around the corner", and certainly not "click here for text only version".

These approaches alienate people with activity limitations and make them feel different from the able bodied person.

But still on the web, we have plenty of people like yourself, that talk all day about coding to the latest standards and how great it is for accessibility etc. Yet they don't even fully understand what the basic definition of accessibility means.

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Listen, I don't come to this site for arguments. Or insults. Or to be spoken to as a child that cant read a dictionary or understand various words in the english language. Never once did I insult you, merely pointed out the benefits to using the standards that we have in place.

I feel my statement was true. There are millions upon millions of badly coded sites out there. And I'm not even talking about standards compliance here. I'm talking about the basics being missing.

I am not wrong. Or wrong again for that matter. Find me a single website that works in every single browser on every single computer and I will show you a page with nothing on it.

What? I fail to see how these older standards are any faster than the ones we use today.
true. However often there is no other way.
I do not spout all day long about anything let alone about coding to the latest standards. I merely pointed out the benefits of using the guidelines in place and that people should aim to use them. Never once did I say any one was wrong not to use them. Because, and this is the important point, I do not care what you do. I do not care how you code your site. or anyone else. However, I do hope that more people code in a more accessible way but at the end of the day, not having access to any particular site would not bother me, as there is nothing on the internet that is important enough to warrant the effort, except for maybe sending/receiving a few emails.

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Woah, hang on I didn't insult you at all and I'm certainly not here for an argument either. I'm merely stating some points.

I simply disagreed with your arguments over the benefits of using the latest coding standards.

And I disagree with you. A website will work in a browser without being standards compliant - so most people don't see the need to. In fact, there's a lot more people that don't care if it only works in one browser.

You were wrong in saying "Its all about percentages. and specifically demographics". Accessibility is about much more than that.

A website can work and function in EVERY browser. For the designer, it's about understanding what the capabilities of each browser and designing accordingly. You certainly WON'T have a page with nothing on it - unless of course you're using a text only browser

In a nutshell, you can build a site much quicker the "old fashioned way" as in tables for layout for example.

Ah but there is...

I am definitely on the same hymn sheet with you in terms of hoping more people will code their websites in an acccessible fasion.

Yet, you still refer to Accessibility as if it was all to do with the latest coding standards... Accessibility and coding standards are two completely different things.