Who do you host with?

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enzo

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louie said:
I could say in some cases you are wrong.
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As I said, it's just my perception. But since you picked up on it.

louie said:
There in nothing more frustrating then running a business on-line and if your server goes down, you have to wait few hours before it gets sorted out or you get a reply.
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Can happen with ALL hosts of course, no matter where they are based.

louie said:
Yes it might be cheaper but I don't think is better.
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Depends on the host of course!

louie said:
being on-line longer doesn't make you better.
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Hah? Think about that one! More experience doesn't make you better?
 
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louie

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enzo said:
As I said, it's just my perception. But since you picked up on it.



Can happen with ALL hosts of course, no matter where they are based.
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Yes indeed they are not perfect, but from my experience having the host a phone call away, or get a reply in less than 15min. makes a difference.

enzo said:
Depends on the host of course!
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yes it does.

enzo said:
Hah? Think about that one! More experience doesn't make you better?
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That's not what I said.
 
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enzo

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louie
"That's not what I said."

It sounded like it.


rollo
"And what if their techniques are bad techniques to begin with?"

Eh .. They could be of course, but the same applies to any new host too.

"You're making very little sense in this thread Enzo."

No i'm not. It's simple.
 
mneylon

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enzo said:
Oh by the way Michele, that's not to say I wouldn't ever consider a host such a Blacknight, I just feel more comfortable sticking with what I know. So don't take offence ;)
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Don't worry - I don't offend easily :)

I was more curious than anything else.
 
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jmcc

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enzo said:
Simply my perception that US hosts have been in the business longer, are bigger, better resourced companies with lots of experience and good infrastructure. I don't know much about non-US companies.
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Well it is my experience that many US hosters are really small reseller accounts. There are a few key players but the reality is that the number of top tier hosters per country is fairly static in most mature markets and the US is a mature market. Thus (based on identified US hosters) you have over 100K US hosters with 1-9 domains hosted, around 60K with 10-100 hosted, around 12K with 100-500 hosted, about 1570 with 500-999 hosted, about 1390 with 1000-4999 hosted, about 170 with 5K-10K hosted, about 217 with 10K-50K hosted, about 34 with 50K-100K hosted, about 45 with 100K-1M hosted and 6 with over 1M hosted domains.

The break point between resellers on shared hosting would probably be in the 500 region. Then it moves into the dedicated server territory. The dedicated datacentre operators would be in the top end of the market probably around 10K+ domains hosted.

The most terrifying statistic is that out of 937839 hosters in com/net/org/biz/info/ie globally, 514005 are one hit wonders (only one domain associated with the DNS). These are typically shared hosting type accounts. Only 34367 hosters globally (excluding ccTLDs) have more than 100 domains hosted. The real hosting business is a lot smaller than people think. :)

Regards...jmcc
 
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jmcc

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enzo said:
Interesting post, thanks jmcc. Ya learn something new every day.
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The hosting business is like that. :) As long as your hoster works and does the business it is fine. Most of the problems that I've seen over the last few years have been largely growth related - the small hosters run by people in college who have to choose between a career (or finishing college) and the hosting business and choose the former. Their clients are often left twisting in the wind as there was never any migration plan built into the business. Though what has been happening recently is that some of these small hosters are being bought out by larger ones.

Catastrophic business failures (there one day, gone the next) are becoming a bit rarer in the hosting business here. A hoster can take about two years or so to crash entirely if it is a large one. (Esat being a good example of a slow collapse.) However the danger of dealing with small resellers is that a business needs far more safeguards in place to prevent it losing everything (domain etc).

Regards...jmcc
 
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georgiecasey

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jmcc said:
Well it is my experience that many US hosters are really small reseller accounts. There are a few key players but the reality is that the number of top tier hosters per country is fairly static in most mature markets and the US is a mature market. Thus (based on identified US hosters) you have over 100K US hosters with 1-9 domains hosted, around 60K with 10-100 hosted, around 12K with 100-500 hosted, about 1570 with 500-999 hosted, about 1390 with 1000-4999 hosted, about 170 with 5K-10K hosted, about 217 with 10K-50K hosted, about 34 with 50K-100K hosted, about 45 with 100K-1M hosted and 6 with over 1M hosted domains.

The break point between resellers on shared hosting would probably be in the 500 region. Then it moves into the dedicated server territory. The dedicated datacentre operators would be in the top end of the market probably around 10K+ domains hosted.

The most terrifying statistic is that out of 937839 hosters in com/net/org/biz/info/ie globally, 514005 are one hit wonders (only one domain associated with the DNS). These are typically shared hosting type accounts. Only 34367 hosters globally (excluding ccTLDs) have more than 100 domains hosted. The real hosting business is a lot smaller than people think. :)

Regards...jmcc
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yeah, interesting post. theres no real benefit of being on a small host, i suppose, except support. who are the big 6, do you know?
 
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jmcc

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georgiecasey said:
yeah, interesting post. theres no real benefit of being on a small host, i suppose, except support. who are the big 6, do you know?
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I've got the complete stats based on nameservers going back to 2000. The figures below are the global top 10 for 01/Dec/2006 (netresult being the change since 01/Nov/2006).


hoster - bionic - netresult (change)
SECURESERVER.NET - 9046003 - 344314 - US
NAME-SERVICES.COM - 2611674 - 256671 - US
YAHOO.COM - 2225864 - 16705 - US
WORLDNIC.COM - 2179855 - 21743 - US
REGISTER.COM - 1558774 - 6175 - US
1AND1.COM - 1452041 - 49044 - US
MALTUZI.COM - 1020808 - 289168 - US
SEDOPARKING.COM - 963989 - 48533 - US
FABULOUS.COM 842773 - 30486 - AU
DNSNAMESERVER.ORG - 742686 - 14707 - US

Regards...jmcc
 
mneylon

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The only problem with that list is that sedo is not really a hosting company - they're all just parked
 
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jmcc

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blacknight said:
The only problem with that list is that sedo is not really a hosting company - they're all just parked
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The same with Fabulous.com and Maltuzi.com (I think). It is getting hard to tell the difference any more. :) At least .ie is not completely like .com in that respect. Irish hosters have not begun to monetize the coming soon pages yet.

Regards...jmcc
 
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rsynnott

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I rent a server from Hetzner (German company) for 30 euro a month. Before that, I rented one from Hosting365 for 80 euro a month.
 
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jmcc

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rsynnott said:
I rent a server from Hetzner (German company) for 30 euro a month. Before that, I rented one from Hosting365 for 80 euro a month.
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Hetzner tends to get mentioned a lot on #linux and the prices and spec seem very good.

Regards...jmcc
 
Cormac

Cormac

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What admin panel are you getting with your hosting package rob? And does it come with any default email apps or are you required to install your own?

What's their support like?
 
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